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	<title>Comments on: The Great Copyright Fight of 2010 Continues</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what an awful mess. Pretty alarming too since I just started my own music blog. It&#039;s pretty crappy that you can get into a situation like that when you&#039;re trying to be responsible and help the artists. I never wanted to run one of those &quot;Here&#039;s the the Rapidshare link, educational purposes only, wink wink&quot; kind of blogs, and it looks like you have similar feelings, but apparently you don&#039;t have to do that to get zapped. You&#039;ve taken it with a lot of grace, considering. Keep up the good work and good luck, to both of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what an awful mess. Pretty alarming too since I just started my own music blog. It&#8217;s pretty crappy that you can get into a situation like that when you&#8217;re trying to be responsible and help the artists. I never wanted to run one of those &#8220;Here&#8217;s the the Rapidshare link, educational purposes only, wink wink&#8221; kind of blogs, and it looks like you have similar feelings, but apparently you don&#8217;t have to do that to get zapped. You&#8217;ve taken it with a lot of grace, considering. Keep up the good work and good luck, to both of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lipold</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Lipold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point, Kyra.  

My other job is a database developer, and like you, I&#039;ve had to write many, many procedures I didn&#039;t necessarily agree with -- procedures which I ultimately had no power in stopping or altering.    

If I was writing anti-piracy code I&#039;d at least check to see if the material in question could be pirated, i.e., the links linked to what I thought they linked to.  I&#039;d also be interested if the pirate in question had a legal claim to the material.  For the person who designed the code in this case, that may or may not have been a concern.

So, sh*tty IFPI code person, you may or may not be off the hook, but, your boss on the other hand, well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point, Kyra.  </p>
<p>My other job is a database developer, and like you, I&#8217;ve had to write many, many procedures I didn&#8217;t necessarily agree with &#8212; procedures which I ultimately had no power in stopping or altering.    </p>
<p>If I was writing anti-piracy code I&#8217;d at least check to see if the material in question could be pirated, i.e., the links linked to what I thought they linked to.  I&#8217;d also be interested if the pirate in question had a legal claim to the material.  For the person who designed the code in this case, that may or may not have been a concern.</p>
<p>So, sh*tty IFPI code person, you may or may not be off the hook, but, your boss on the other hand, well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyra</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one little thing:  Don&#039;t be too mad at the person who wrote the sh*tty code.  As a developer myself, I cannot tell you how many times I&#039;ve said &quot;This is a bad idea, and this is why&quot; only to get over-ruled by the manager/CEO/etc above me who think they know better than I do about these sort of things.

If a client (be it your boss or whomever you&#039;re contracting with at the moment) demands something despite you pointing out the stupid, you grit your teeth and do it anyway because in most cases, you need your job / the money.  It&#039;s possible this was a case of a bad developer -- but it&#039;s also possible it was a case of a developer just doing what they were told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one little thing:  Don&#8217;t be too mad at the person who wrote the sh*tty code.  As a developer myself, I cannot tell you how many times I&#8217;ve said &#8220;This is a bad idea, and this is why&#8221; only to get over-ruled by the manager/CEO/etc above me who think they know better than I do about these sort of things.</p>
<p>If a client (be it your boss or whomever you&#8217;re contracting with at the moment) demands something despite you pointing out the stupid, you grit your teeth and do it anyway because in most cases, you need your job / the money.  It&#8217;s possible this was a case of a bad developer &#8212; but it&#8217;s also possible it was a case of a developer just doing what they were told.</p>
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		<title>By: brice</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>brice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re not doing anything wrong, fuck the haters and move on with your head held high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re not doing anything wrong, fuck the haters and move on with your head held high.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank C</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this whole copyright situation will get worse before it gets better. It seems like something could be worked out where it would be like radio stations playing music with a reasonable royalty schedule and so forth. But then the big record execs who&#039;ve never played a note of music themselves wouldn&#039;t be about to throw million dollar sweet sixteen parties for the wannabe starlet brats.

Anyway, congrats on the new site. Media Temple is a good place to host a higher bandwidth site so you&#039;ve made a good choice there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this whole copyright situation will get worse before it gets better. It seems like something could be worked out where it would be like radio stations playing music with a reasonable royalty schedule and so forth. But then the big record execs who&#8217;ve never played a note of music themselves wouldn&#8217;t be about to throw million dollar sweet sixteen parties for the wannabe starlet brats.</p>
<p>Anyway, congrats on the new site. Media Temple is a good place to host a higher bandwidth site so you&#8217;ve made a good choice there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lipold</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Lipold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/dumb-labels-laws-bots-not-google-to-blame-for-music-blog-deletions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dumb Labels, Laws (Not Google) To Blame for Music Blog Deletions&lt;/a&gt;

Eliot van Buskirk of Wired did an excellent job describing the whole situation at the preceding link.  

One of the questions which always seems to come up is why didn&#039;t I file a counter claim as google instructed?

Part of the reason was that as of the fall of 2009 google/blogger appeared to be taking a more nuanced stance towards DMCA infractions.  Instead of deleting posts and/or blogs outright, they&#039;d move the infringing content back to draft status where one could make the necessary edits and re-publish.

Even in my case, where I was very much confident I wasn&#039;t an infringer, this seemed harmless enough.  Since, as you know I routinely rotate the mp3 links anyway.  And if the link in question was already dead, as was the case more than once, then I hardly cared at all.  

Additionally, as google themselves have noted, the process is far more easier for someone to file a claim than for someone to counter.  As the current process stands, pen, paper and postage are needed to file a counter.  Absurd for 2010.

Also to be considered is that the wording of the law seemed to indicate that the act of countering a claim could result in legal action should the claimant decide to re-affirm their rights.  Who here would like to take their chances against a music industry lawyer?

Lastly, despite google&#039;s assertion that I was warned about being a &quot;repeat infringer&quot; there was no indication that I was sitting on a time bomb.  Had I known that the situation was one more strike and I&#039;m gone, then, yes, certainly I would have taken all of those old claims, all of those claims where I did have rights, and start the counter claim process.

As for blame, well, read the Wired article, and you&#039;ll see that all of us -- the labels, the IFPI, the laws, myself, and yes, google, could have taken actions to avoid this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/dumb-labels-laws-bots-not-google-to-blame-for-music-blog-deletions/" rel="nofollow">Dumb Labels, Laws (Not Google) To Blame for Music Blog Deletions</a></p>
<p>Eliot van Buskirk of Wired did an excellent job describing the whole situation at the preceding link.  </p>
<p>One of the questions which always seems to come up is why didn&#8217;t I file a counter claim as google instructed?</p>
<p>Part of the reason was that as of the fall of 2009 google/blogger appeared to be taking a more nuanced stance towards DMCA infractions.  Instead of deleting posts and/or blogs outright, they&#8217;d move the infringing content back to draft status where one could make the necessary edits and re-publish.</p>
<p>Even in my case, where I was very much confident I wasn&#8217;t an infringer, this seemed harmless enough.  Since, as you know I routinely rotate the mp3 links anyway.  And if the link in question was already dead, as was the case more than once, then I hardly cared at all.  </p>
<p>Additionally, as google themselves have noted, the process is far more easier for someone to file a claim than for someone to counter.  As the current process stands, pen, paper and postage are needed to file a counter.  Absurd for 2010.</p>
<p>Also to be considered is that the wording of the law seemed to indicate that the act of countering a claim could result in legal action should the claimant decide to re-affirm their rights.  Who here would like to take their chances against a music industry lawyer?</p>
<p>Lastly, despite google&#8217;s assertion that I was warned about being a &#8220;repeat infringer&#8221; there was no indication that I was sitting on a time bomb.  Had I known that the situation was one more strike and I&#8217;m gone, then, yes, certainly I would have taken all of those old claims, all of those claims where I did have rights, and start the counter claim process.</p>
<p>As for blame, well, read the Wired article, and you&#8217;ll see that all of us &#8212; the labels, the IFPI, the laws, myself, and yes, google, could have taken actions to avoid this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: gioggi2002</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>gioggi2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://buzz.blogger.com/2010/02/quick-note-about-music-blog-removals.html

In this link you can have the explanation, directly from Google.

Have a nice day. :)</description>
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<p>In this link you can have the explanation, directly from Google.</p>
<p>Have a nice day. <img src='http://blog.irockcleveland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy situation, I wouldn´t so much blame IFPI this time but put the blame on google. That they do not check the complains. That they do not follow the rules by informing the blog in question of the exact problem. When Amazon removed the book 1984 from Kindles the whole world criticized them. Now when google does something like this, nobody really cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy situation, I wouldn´t so much blame IFPI this time but put the blame on google. That they do not check the complains. That they do not follow the rules by informing the blog in question of the exact problem. When Amazon removed the book 1984 from Kindles the whole world criticized them. Now when google does something like this, nobody really cares?</p>
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		<title>By: brucini</title>
		<link>http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2010/02/12/the-great-copyright-fight-of-2010-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>brucini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the update.
freakin crazy situation indeed. 
pleased I Rock Cleveland is still out there and doing what it does best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the update.<br />
freakin crazy situation indeed.<br />
pleased I Rock Cleveland is still out there and doing what it does best</p>
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